Ask HN: What to do when you suspect your interview is with a state operative?
I'm curious what HN thinks is the best course of action when you are reasonably certain you have interviewed someone who is attempting to gain access to your company from a certain place that is famously totalitarian.
Let's assume they are a state actor, Here are some things that crossed my mind:
- Citizens from this region of the world are forced to do this and it amounts to slave labor. I have empathy for their situation. What is a responsible way to report things like this?
- I try to avoid communicating with law enforcement in general, is the FBI or other US agency the only avenue to warn others?
- Without hiring this person, what exposure should we worry about? What precautions are worth taking in the future?
Thanks for your insights :)
I’ve posted about this problem before. It’s happened to me twice at two different companies.
This is a legit problem. They pose as American citizens or permanent residents. Sometimes even using a VPN into the US. HR folks would not catch on.
I’ve actually interviewed two of these people over the years. They somehow got through the initial screenings. It’s a bizarre experience. Most of the time there is a significant delay with silence between your question and their answer. It’s as if they’re being fed the perfect answer. Problem is they could never answer or pretended to not understand any follow-up questions.
You could always hear others in the background. One time I was given an answer that I had heard someone else in the room give just 2 minutes before.
The question that really solidified my hunch was about their location. The applicants would always claim to be from a very small town somewhere in the US. In my two experiences I happened to know a lot about those towns. The first said they “really enjoyed the mountains” when I asked what brought them to a Houston suburb. When I asked the other applicant if they had any damage from the hurricane that went through St. Augustine, FL, they replied “What hurricane?”
Now, neither of these people would have been hired even if they had stellar interviews as we do make use of background checks and verification services. This scheme really only works for third-party dev shops or desperate small companies.
I’m glad this problem is getting more attention.
What gave you the impression during what I would assume is a 1-2 hour interview that the person applying for a job is foreign agent?
Do the behaviors exhibited also align with other somewhat common candidate behavior like not being competent in what they say, being nervous, etc.?
Ask for a rep from your corporate security department, your legal department and your CSO for a quick meet-up and let them decide what to do. Hand it off to them so it is not your responsibility and so you can focus on your assigned tasks. Provide only the facts.
Emphasing with the individual has merit, but on balance has the wrong framing. It's the org the individual is in that's the real problem. I'd tell the fbi. Being a nice guy is counter-indicated here. The other side certainly isn't.